The Mumbai Blasts: The First Arrests and Some Observations
The following arrests have been made in connection with the blasts investigation.1) The arrest of Abdul Karim Tunda in Kenya. He is now in Mombassa for questioning. There is a growing suspicion among certain people that the key to understanding the events of Mumbai may lie in Africa.
2) The arrest of Kamal Ahmad Mohammed Vakil Ansari (32), Khalid Aziz Raunaq Sheikh (24) both arrested in Bihar and Mumtaz Maqbul Ahmed Choudhary (38) arrested in Trombay.
3) Gulam Hussein Cheema and Atta Muhaddin Siddiqi, from Hotel Everest in Kathmandu. Two others were also arrested. These men were operating under the cover Sachel Engineering Works, an organization suspected to be a front for the ISI.
Some observations:
1) It is now open season on SIMI and Islamic far right groups that are believed to be involved in this. As you are already aware an extremely large number of people - mostly Muslims - and *mostly* innocent have been taken into custody for screening purposes. A vast majority of these people will released, and a small number may be booked on unrelated offenses. However there is considerable apprehension among the community and that is why mainstream Muslim leaders are going to make a number of strong statements in public to reassure the community that their interests will be protected. It is important to see these statements for what they are - defensive utterances aimed at showing a sense of bravado before the community.
2) The SP which is close to SIMI leadership and generally close to a number criminal enterprises that operate along the UP-Nepal border is under political pressure. This was visible in the form of Amar Singh's attack on NSA M. K. Narayanan. In my opinion this was an exceptionally poor choice on the part of Amar Singh. More generally targeting the NSA in a bid to preserve your image with the people who are indirectly or worse directly responsible for this mess is an extremely unwise move and will only succeed in attracting the ire of the community of security professionals as a whole. In the late 90s, on the instructions of someone in another country, a number of so called NGOs began a campaign to target Punjab Police officers for their role in alleged human rights abuses. A few adventurous politicians attempted to capitalize on this trend and exploit the public resentment against the police. An old friend of mine on hearing of this remarked,
"Perhaps these people do not realize that the politicians cannot randomly dump responsibility for terrible events on the security forces, especially when the politicians' own conduct leaves them culpable. In public eye the average politician is viewed in a poorer light than the average police officer. "
I think my friend's words may have much relevance today.
3) I understand that General Musharraf has asked for proof of Lashkar Taiba's involvement. Once the proof is presented, I expect that General Musharraf will publicly make a show of dismissing it. This is likely to boost his image among Pakistanis who think the General should put on a public show of "defying India". Once again I wish to point out to Pakistani opinion makers that supporting this kind of public behavior will only serve to enrage the Indian public and once this couples to a wider political spectrum - India will most certainly start demanding things that Pakistan cannot give - and unlike before (2002) - India will not stop. A certain Pakistani official has given an interview to a Western newspaper where he claimed that if General Musharraf acts against the Lashkar Taiba - there will be bomb blasts all over India. This kind of talk does not help calm India's nerves and the Pakistani government should now move towards contains the barrage of bullshit that normally leaves the various orfices in GHQ. Irrespective of what General Musharraf does - India's proof will stick to Pakistan's reputation - and I mean we will make it stick. And you may think there is no way to make Pakistan's reputation worse but trust me there are many ways of doing things - so tread lightly back there in Pakistan, as I am sure your friends in India have told you - the Indian people are no longer in a mood to listen to rubbish.
4) I welcome the visitor from the Red Squad.
posted by maverick @ 12:47 PM
26 Comments:
Maverick,
What do you mean by the "the visitor from the Red Squad"? I completely lost you on that one.
The Muslim community leaders are not going to be making statements because their poor innocent boys have been arrested. They are making those statements because they can get away with it. Because there will always be someone to rationalize them and say poor fellow, let him say it.
Regd. reg sqad, I believe Maverick is refering to the NYPD officer who came to Mumbai to look at MP investigations into train bombings.
Maverick, overall the do you think that media hysteria is of that big a concern given the current political setup and the political leadership vaccum in Delhi. I have heard earlier explanations like the following:
" You people always complain that Congressmen are vile, evil with Indian people. Then what makes you think that they will be pussies with non-Indians?"
Earlier such statements raised *hope* that atleast something might be done after Gujral sheathed Indian teeth. But looking at this gov's past 2 years experience it appears more like spin. Raman always used to complain that NDA loudmouths were pussies and are not doing enough to undo Gujral's mistakes. 2 years should be enough to make TSP realise that ralwalpindi and lahore can also burn like karachi did in early 90s. Is there a lack of communication or do you think this is due to political vaccum?
That said, I always wonder about the following:
"PWG/CPIML always use exploitation bogey to steal. Why dont we see islamist equivalent of PWG in TSP etc? Inspite of entrenched feudalism, other than little events in Okhra we don't see much. Are we that incompetent?"
anonymous,
the red squad is the finest of New York's finest
anonymous,
Everyone is going to get away with it. No one is going to be held to account for the nonsense they are talking about the other community.
anonymous,
I am now beginning to distrust the media completely.
I see the Kenyans have gone back on their public statements about Tunda's arrest. I understand that the Kenyans are now claiming that he has been handed over the FBI. Curious indeed, lets see if the FBI will hand him over to our police or will like 1993 the "evidence" be "destoryed in testing". or will they implicate him in an Al Qaida operations. Tsk.. tsk.. today Kenya.. tomorrow.. khair chodo bhi.. why break the suspense.
Leadership vacuum, no I dont' think there is one. There is leadership - what is lacking is media control because that lack of media control is feeding public anxiety.
A friend of mine curiously noted the following yesterday,
"a-ha when 200 Indian citizens get murdered.. the blogsphere pretends that nothing has happened, but block access to the blogspot website and every blog wakes up to preach about being a democracy."
Maverick:
Your complaints against media are little vague, in the sense whats new that they are doing that they did not do in past. Lets say our reference is from 1998-present since that was the time when electronic media was liberalized and print media was opened to foreign investors. What are you seeing in media's behavior during the present regime that you did not see during NDA's regime? I thought that congress (I) had much stronger representation from jains, birlas, goenkas et. al. Isn't so?
Are you pissed off mainly with the english language print + electronic media or do you also have complaints with regional and local language media also? You follow dainik jagran, eenadu type publications? How are these holding up?
What are the actions of the government that inspire you to say you dont find any political vaccum in top leadership? NDA gasbags were criticized for doing only enough to save their dhotis. They were routinely criticized for taking actions that reduced the credibility of indian words. I mean I dont want "aar-paar ki ladai" like melodramatics. I want the credibility that PVN built. Thats all. Are IPS/RAS happy with UPA as far as security is concerned?
UPA coming with a report that Salwa Judum is bad, making the same noises that they made in Andhra during 2004. madani being given hope, SIMI chap resurfacing during SP's regime etc. I know it is better to have these fellows as your own bastards rather than your opponents. But does IPS like the political leadership they are given to solve the problem?
Let's us fight back.
Form groups of like minded hindus, unite together, be prepared and keep a watch on mullas in your area.
We must form organisations that are independent of political and public scrutiny. Such organisations will only work for the benefit of hinduism and Bharat. All dirty tricks can be used to enforce hindu's interests.
Indian hindus should work with LTTE and teach pakistan what exactly terrorism is.
Enough of this non-violence non-sense.
Next India should again divide pakistan in two or three parts taking benefit of its internal racial conflicts such as wazirstan and sindh and dispute with Afghanistan and Russia. This will break back of this terrorist nation for another 30-40 years.
India should also not spare China who has basically supported pakistan in order to distract India from becoming a world power.
India should unite pacific nations, support taiwan, south korea, vietnam, cambodia, japan and indonesia to fight against china. India should play politcal and military support to these small nations who are afraid of china's imperialism.
Finally, Iran. Many Iranian spies have entered India as Iranian students. The Varanasi blasts were handiwork of Iranian spies, ISI and SIMI.
To take revenge on these middle eastern scums.. join Israel, give them logistic and political support.
This is the only chance Indian civilisation can ever become a true world power in the world.
anonymous,
I will soon upload a more detailed post on the matter.
The security services do not have a preference in the matter of governments. In the late 90s there was a growing belief among some sections of the security community that a coalition type government was inadvisable on account of policy instability but now there are no such problems. The NDA showed it could make a coalition work - and thus set the standard for what everyone else must do.
ssj,
I don't know why you think the Government of India isn't doing enough to fight back. I have expressly clarified that the axe will fall silently on this one.
I think the silent axe approach is a good thing. I am not someone who is amused by public displays of "national power" and I do not want to see India invest itself psychologically in this "great power" bullshit.
Iranian students in India to "spy"... what a joke! They have always been there, our connections to Iran go back thousands of years. Who campained for a certain Indian prime minister right after the Iranian revolution? Every major Indian shia mullah is a graduate of an Iranian education system.
Maverick,
In case you are not aware, there is plenty of evidence of Iranian spies + ISI + SIMI. It is our typical ignorance and innocent faith in our so called thousand years old links. I don't why India values these vogue links so much. And what kind of links? some parsis migrated couple of thousand years back before Iran become islmanic. so..? After that lots of sultans came around invading, coverting and butchering millions of innocent hindus. And we still don’t refrain from licking feet of this meaningless country. What should matter to us is our national interests and not some meaningless friendships. Iranians have joined hands with pakistan (read ISI) on many occasions to backstab India. We are just too blind to see though all this thousand year old friendship nonsense. Unfortunately this can be attributed to our pseudo-secular mindset.
Coming back to Pakistan, they want war, we give them a war. But not in India, but in pakistan it self. There are lots of opportunities… Baloch, sindh, wazirstan, PoK, Afgan Border. I don't understand how Indian strategists and Generals can miss such opportunities? We have to stop being over-idealistic and get tricky and ruthless in order to preserve our security and heritage.
What do you think?
some mistakes in previous post... here is a correct version..
Maverick,
In case you are not aware, there is plenty of evidence of Iranian spies + ISI + SIMI. It is our typical ignorance and innocent faith in our so called thousand years old links. I don't know why India values these vogue links so much. And what kind of links? some parsis migrated couple of thousand years back before Iran became islmanic. so..? After that lots of sultans came around invading, converting and butchering millions of innocent hindus. And we still don’t refrain from licking feet of this meaningless country. What should matter to us is our national interests and not some meaningless friendships. Iranians have joined hands with pakistan (read ISI) on many occasions to backstab India. We are just too blind to see through all this thousand years old friendship nonsense. Unfortunately this can be attributed to our pseudo-secular mindset.
Coming back to Pakistan, they want war, we give them a war. But not in India, but in pakistan it self. There are lots of opportunities… Baloch, sindh, wazirstan, PoK, Afgan Border. I don't understand how Indian strategists and Generals can miss such opportunities? We have to stop being over-idealistic and get tricky and ruthless in order to preserve our security and heritage.
What do you think?
Your friends and their comments about 200 people and the blogosphere apart, no amount of spin from you can disguise the fact that the Govt did some minority pandering chutiyagiri which just happened to be passed now (order had been given far earlier) & got kicked on its @ss for it..The blogosphere has displayed its disgust with the Government and its wimp behaviour time and again...and for you to spin it as some super duper measure by brave Guvermint is too too funny.
Banning yahoo image search because uninformed public can search for Koran in a toilet...Hai Allah, these hindus! What if they see Holy Prophet using image search! Ban Yahoo image search!
Is tarah ki bewakufi karo and of course everyone will laugh at your beloved babu log and their idiot tactics as they run to suck up to the UPA Guvermint.
There is no leadership vacuum...only media anxiety...oh we see. Attacks and more attacks, and now it is only bad bad media, foreign hand, dumb bloggers...we should all stand and sing kumbayya with babulog and their x,y,z category security commandos
Sirjee, too much spinning is bad for the health. Join us in Gandhi class and stop idolizing the stupid babus and their politicians, and finding excuse after excuse for their total chutiagiri and lack of ability to defend the indian citizen from the Pakistanis.
Till then you can talk to all friends, and imaginary voices in the head, but aam aadmi whether on the internet or off it, is fed up enough to say bullshit.
Worthy of Johann, you are.
ssj,
our relations with Iran are not at the level that we have to behave in a hostile fashion.
If you start counting the things that the Iranians have done, there is much more that others like the US and UK have done and we do nothing to be hostile to them.
The Iranians are potential energy partners - they are atleast if not more important than the US is.
anonymous,
if you think my opinion is so irrelevant then why do you read this blog?
are you upset that only the opinions of some 200 people matter in India or are you upset that you aren't currently in that group of 200?
scrapstuffs,
please elaborate.
maverick said:
"are you upset that only the opinions of some 200 people matter in India or are you upset that you aren't currently in that group of 200?"
What makes you the authority in speaking for this 200?
Plus why is there all the spin on blogs - a minority pandering move done far before the blasts but implemented now, and where is it coming from?
why cant you just accept that the babus did chutiyagiri and go on yaar?
Instead you'r coming up with fancy explanations of foreign hand, traitorous media ..
Aaap itna spin bowling karoge to your shoulder will dislocate..
Bhaisahab, media is in fact firmly in the UPAs pocket, if they dig more they will rub against MMSs balls.
Only time they showed some spine has been over the reservation issue..will you defend Arjun Singhs harkatein?
Sirjee, you must be a patriot, ok, sure, but your fascination for babulog and Guvermint makes you blind, so you are coming up with fancy tales ..
Hi Anonymous,
I am not authorized to say anything at least not in any way I know of. Those 200 people, they are just a circle of friends where we talk many interesting things, some of which I share with the web.
I happen to think feeding communal polarization is not a good idea and does not help expedite the investigation. It makes the people in the minority community less willing to talk and it makes people in the majority community more willing to make up stories about the involvement of minorities. This does not help the investigation process in any way.
The media has largely fed this polarization by inventing news items and allowing certain agents of influence to plant stories in the media. Regardless of who is in power today and who will be in power tomorrow, everyone in the political class has to ensure that the investigation succeeds, so the media has failed the political class. All this talk of UPA friendly media, is fine... ask anyone else they will tell you that the media is now a mafia. They have reached critical mass and they are in a position to shake any political party down.
As regards babus - they can only function in the political space the minority "lovers" and minority "haters" leave. That isn't a lot of space - so if you take into account that limitation you realize that - you will realize they a doing a reasonable job and they will most certainly tell you that the media is not making their job easy.
I don't know if I love babus or hate them, but I certainly get bored of the politically excitable kind.
Janaab,
Aap phir all sorts of idhar udhar ki baatein kar rahein hain.
Get to the point.
The UPA Govt has failed its mandate in preventing a series of attacks in India. These are mostly directed against Hindus because we all know Paks love for Hindus. Baaki sab communal rioting, shaking the economy is icing on the cake.
Ab media is doing nothing but reporting Govts bebasi and chutiyagiri in pandering to minority votebanks over issues such as these.
Reservation and blocking yahoo image search is more important for election time than dealing with Pakistan when peace talks have FAILED.
Ab aap media ko gaali di jiye or do your smoke and mirrors to blame the media when your lovely Guvermint is utter failure at protecting Indians..
Aankh kholiye and understand!
Who the fuck cares if its Buddhists attacking or Muslims unless they are kicked and stopped?
Kya Yahoo image search ko ban kar ke Govt has shown its brains?
You are trying to divert the issue from a critical evaluation of the utter failure of Indian Government to deal with pakistan, by blaming the media for what it has been doing. That is putting pressure on the Govt.
Crying that the media is a whore is big joke! Media has always been that- when Congress planted stories or BJP did it was A-Ok?
Basically you yourself have no clue of what the media has done. You just need someone to blame for us not kicking Guvermint in its balls for failing us, the Indian people.
And if your 200 people are part of the Indian Govt, tell those morons that their excuses are very nice...but apna kaam karein, not drink chai, eat biscoot, talk big words and then say "Hai Allah this media ne to naak main dum karke rakhan hain"
I understand u must be a very patriotic person so dont be very shocked at my harsh wordings!!
But kitna zyadti bardash karein hum?
When educated smart people like you also keep giving babulog and politician more excuse to not do work and protect India from jihad, why we should just watch hain?
Sochiye aap thodaa!
Ab aap kahenge, ki humne kya kiya hain! Janaab hamare padosi, hamare rishtedaar sab jung main kat peet ke aaye hain
But kisliye?
This Guvermint is failure- big one!!
Abhi baat kar rahen the kisi sain, unhone bi Govt ki bund mari hain..
But here you are blaming media, instead of putting pressure on actual problem which is Indian Government
Kyonji? Why blind love for a Government which has failed?!?
Sochiye!
Hi anonymous,
No one gets elected on promises of ending terrorism. They are elected on economy related promises. I don't think the UPA has failed in anything.
Only the NDA invested in security related election publicity - but like the UPA, they too were smart enough to ensure that no specific promises were made. If today BJP etc... want to make promises about an end to terrorism, they should feel free, but I can tell you right now what a number of security professionals will tell them about this - it is impossible to stop terrorism - there are simply too many people with the means and the will to commit terrorist acts.
The minority appeasement you see right now is aimed at reducing the grip of far-right groups on the average people. We are trying to address issues that SP Asif Jalal brought of in his oped recently.
No one is doing appeasement with the election in mind right now. It is too early for those kind of moves, that kind of appeasement is only done about six months before the election.
You seem to be deliberately missing the point the media is no longer under anyone's control and if something is not done fast - we will have an information management problem that not even Allah Miyan will be able to fix.
I am not shocked by your harsh words, you see unlike you -- my government is always in power.
Chai mey shakkar kam dala karo.. raat ko neend bhi aayegi aur diabetes ka dar bhi kam hoga.
The minority appeasement you see right now is aimed at reducing the grip of far-right groups on the average people. We are trying to address issues that SP Asif Jalal brought of in his oped recently.
Maverick, if this is what you think then I may also say you are unfortunately very clueless about what is actually happening in India!
Mulayam & co pandering to SIMI is becoz of Asif Jalal?
I am speaking of security professionals- they are not saying what you claim to besaying, that they are bebas - they are fed up of this Government..
Janab, I dont drink chai- woh sab bachon ke liye hain..:-)
My Government is nationalist Government, not some BJP or Congress, aap ka problem yeh hain ki aap sochte hain Govt remains same throughout...nahin it does not
UPA has ripped apart present structure inside out..and people r fed up...this is reality.
Become less concerned with coming up for excuses for a community which has been pandered to for far too long and a Govt which is out for votes!
Dhanyavaad!
Combine:
1)babus (IAS and its various derivatives) with too much ego but lack a vision for country. Nothing has hurt India in last 58 years more than IAS babus.
2)banal/uneducated politicians appeasing minorities (Mulayam, Sonia, Left).
3)corrupt, underpaid, untrained police unable to provide respectable life to ordinary occupants of India.
4)slow and timid judiciary (bloated and constipated elites).
5)environmental factors, unpredictable mansoons, droughts, floods, lack of technical advancements in agriculture methods.
6)hostile undemocratic anti-hindu neighbours.
7)40% poor, uneducated, unconcerned population (bihar, UP, north-east, orrisa) susceptible to exploitation, conversions, brain-washing by foreign agents with loads of money.
8)self-defeating mindset, demise of self-preservation attitude and ability to strike back due to past 1000 years of slavery, invasions and attacks on Indian peninsula.
9) false sense of pride and security planted due to pseudo-secular education system.
10) extremely heterogeneous population with too many sub-religious-subsects, castes, languages and related in-fighting.
I am sorry to say, Hindus, Bharatdesh won't last longer than another 200-400 years. Take my word. Take long hard look at the human history, civilisations evolved over last 10000 years. We hindus in India don’t stand a chance of a survival. There is no hope.
Anonymous,
SaPa is mixed up in a number of cross border rackets involving all sorts of things. The SIMI provides political cover for those economic groups.
Dekho bhai, if you are sure that I am clueless, then why do you pay attention to my writings? what does it matter to you if I am clueless? let me be clueless? If I am misleading people, then you start your own blog and call it "Anti-Maverick" blog or something like that and tell people what you think is the truth.
In my opinion there is no concerted effort in the government to lay the blame for the events at the security community's door.
The emphasis is only on finding the exact perpetrators and making them pay for what they have done.
There is absolutely *NO* latent escalation tendency here. No one has the time of day for any more escalation theatrics - we have exhausted those options with Op Parakram.
Yes some people are talking - I know that. But you know who to pay attention to and who not to.
There is talk of settling old scores but abhi toh iske baare mein kehne ke layak kuch nahi hain.
Chai piyo miyan... baki saari cheezon ka nasha utar jayega.
"There is absolutely *NO* latent escalation tendency here. No one has the time of day for any more escalation theatrics - we have exhausted those options with Op Parakram."
Maverick,
Could you please elaborate?
" Dekho bhai, if you are sure that I am clueless, then why do you pay attention to my writings? what does it matter to you if I am clueless? let me be clueless? If I am misleading people, then you start your own blog and call it "Anti-Maverick" blog or something like that and tell people what you think is the truth.",
this is more fun, no? :-)
There is absolutely *NO* latent escalation tendency here. No one has the time of day for any more escalation theatrics - we have exhausted those options with Op Parakram.",
There is something known as covert wafare. Everytime poetji has not to rush whole army to border to do "aar paar ki ladai".
Wait, next blog post will be about how traitor media stopped this option...
"Chai piyo miyan... baki saari cheezon ka nasha utar jayega."
Sirji, nasha aap ko chada hain...spinning fancy tales as u do about media to avoid blaming Guvermint..
Magar hum aapko rok thodi rahein hain?
India is funny country- it has all sort of fanatical idealogies...this is first time tho', I am seeing babulogy ruling over common senseology.
Janaab, thank u for chai, but no thank u, have chai-biskoot with babulog, so you worship babu bravery in blocking yahoo image search.
" Dekho bhai, if you are sure that I am clueless, then why do you pay attention to my writings? what does it matter to you if I am clueless? let me be clueless? If I am misleading people, then you start your own blog and call it "Anti-Maverick" blog or something like that and tell people what you think is the truth.",
this is more fun, no? :-)
There is absolutely *NO* latent escalation tendency here. No one has the time of day for any more escalation theatrics - we have exhausted those options with Op Parakram.",
There is something known as covert wafare. Everytime poetji has not to rush whole army to border to do "aar paar ki ladai".
Wait, next blog post will be about how traitor media stopped this option...
"Chai piyo miyan... baki saari cheezon ka nasha utar jayega."
Sirji, nasha aap ko chada hain...spinning fancy tales as u do about media to avoid blaming Guvermint..
Magar hum aapko rok thodi rahein hain?
India is funny country- it has all sort of fanatical idealogies...this is first time tho', I am seeing babulogy ruling over common senseology.
Janaab, thank u for chai, but no thank u, have chai-biskoot with babulog, so you worship babu bravery in blocking yahoo image search.
Anonymous,
To elaborate: before Op Parakram, a very elaborate posturing scheme was possible. This scheme involved a mobilization of troops from Central and Eastern Command and reserves from elsewhere. These could be "amassed on the border" and used to signal intentions. We can no longer do this. Everything is already at the border. There is nothing more to show - at this point only the Go word has to be given. Cold Start recognizes this fact. Perhaps that explains why there is such enthusiasm to penetrate war plans at the NSC?
Anonymous,
I left the anonymous posting option open on the blog because I wanted my friends to be able to post their views without having to register with blogspot.
A guest who comes in through an open door is welcome, but there is such a thing as a guest over-staying his welcome.
You are obsessed with blaming the government or someone else. Perhaps that is something that gives you great joy. I guess there is something very empowering about blaming someone else what you might otherwise have to share blame for.
It doesn't really give me any joy. Eventually someday you or someone you like will rise to the throne in Delhi. And if they fuck up - will you abandon them too? what if you were to sit on the throne, would you abandon yourself?
If you are so much smarter than the rest of us, why don't you become responsible for running the place? Or does everyone else already know that you are a complete waste of time?
A cup of tea and a few biscuits later, a guest who is not required to stay for dinner should realize that its time to go home.
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