Warm breeze heralds the "Pakistani Spring"
The elections were rigged to reduce the Islamist footprint inside the political structure. This could only be achieved at the cost of encouraging regionalism. No prizes for guessing who did this.It is wrong to say that Musharraf the Magnificent did not have his way. This election proves that only Musharraf the Magnificent can secure 99.99999% of the Pakistani national vote. Everyone else has to be content with less than 0.0999% percent each.
The great fear in the ... well.. you know where... was that the unwashed masses of Pakistan would rise up in a tumultous anger and drive the Magnificent one from power. In the vacuum created, a number of strange unpredictable creatures would appear possibly wearing many hues of green. Today, with the establishment of a bulwark of "moderates" in the Parliament, the Islamists will find themselves fighting an "elected parliament" - instead of a "military dictatorship" - in that terribly semantic way that is so popular these days.
Cohabitation is a sensible choice - since ... you know who... has been unable to conceptualise an alternative to Magnificient One. As you can see the army has begun its long and arduous march towards the barracks. Agitating against cohabitation will simply bring the "Pakistani Spring" to an end.
Might as well sit on the beach and enjoy the breeze.
Needless to say a storm brews just o'er the horizon.
posted by maverick @ 8:24 AM
25 Comments:
Maverick,
Just a quick hit and run.
Your vote percentages, much like those of the Magnificent One's Musharendum, add up to be >100%!
:)
I will have a reply for you on the "bigger is better" topic sometime by tomorrow.
Hmm ... M is talking about bahaar-e-TSP ... this must be my cue ... I am sure Josh Malihabadi was thinking of "democracy in TSP" when he wrote this:
yae din bahaar kae ab kae bhi raas na aa sakae
ki gunchae khil to sakae, khil kae muskuraa na sakae
nayaa zamaana banaanae chalae thae deewaanae
nai zameen, nayaa aasamaan banaa na sakae
btw, it looks like R-man is learning the DCH lesson on DF ... a less well known homie, Behzad Lakhnawi, could have helped in understanding DCH ... posting the whole thing cause it is fun ... :)
tum nagmaa-e-maah ho, anjum ho, tum soz-e-tamannaa kyaa jaano
tum dard-e-muhabbat kyaa samajho, tum dil kaa tadapanaa kyaa jaano
sau baar agar tum rooth gayae, ham tum ko manaa hi letae thae
ik baar agar ham rooth gayae, tum ham ko manaanaa kyaa jaano
takhreeb-e-muhabbat aasaan hai, taameer-e-muhabbat mushqil hai
tum aag lagaanaa seekh gayae, tum aag bujhaanaa kyaa jaano
tum door khadae dekhaa hi kiyae, aur doobanae walah doob gayaa
saahil ko tum manzil samajh gayae, tum lazzat-e-dariyaa kyaa jaano
ok enough ... back to regular programming ...
well, this may be off-topic as well because this blog is about TSP basant ... anyways, I just finished reading a Bharat Karnad's latest piece ... the man has truly lost it ...
I worry about BK ... the deal is dead but BK is still worked up because its not the deal that worries him ... it is the lack of MegaTon dhamakaa that is giving him ulcers ...
here is a scenario:
1. deal died "yesterday"
2. there is no MegaDhamaka "today"
3. what will BK do "tomorrow"?
this is the part that I don't understand at all about DCH ... they are confusing "opposition to the deal" with "support for MegaDhamaka" ...
the problem is that whether there is a deal or not, the dynamics and politics of testing are just as complex ...
after the DCH and BK have killed the deal and there is no GigaBoom what will they do?
Hi M,
There was a time when certain groups/families could ensure that their Aam Abdul would vote only for the candidate that suits their interests, but this was something like the Cow Belt Czars of BIMARU belt with their transferable vote banks enforced by "tradition", private armies and "Blood Guilt" laws. This ensured that overt, disruptive Islamists would not rise to power in the political executive. Times have changed and the sheep are not so beholden to their RAPE/Fauji-Foundation masters anymore methinks... the MMA's past victories and the little genuine groundswell for the PPP in certain pockets are simply signs of things to come.
This means the rigging was executed inside the polling booths and counting booths if not with the Election Commission's original rolls itself (and at the orders of Unkil), right? How did they fool all those international observers and assorted university/NGO certified idiots that descended into TSP? Just curious on how exactly they did it onlee....
Still, some things still don't tally up; why weren't the King's Party constituents doled out more seats.... they sure aren't in a comfortable position now. A few more seats apiece would have made things better, at least cosmetically, for Viceroy Musharraf. Getting rid of the prominent courtiers seen too close to Viceroy through the "free ballots" was a nice touch though... there are always more where they came from. However, more seats would not have hurt. Maybe they plan to use the imagery of "brave solitary hero Musharraf fighting against the Indian aided secessionists, Al-Qaeda and centrifugal forces" in the future. Might also serve as a warning brochure to all those folks who call for twuly free-n-fair elections in Iraq and Afghanistan; -"See, we told you democracy ain't always a good thing!"
JMTC.
-Anand K
Hello Sparsh,
My point is that if Pak Fauj with its half a millions soldiers could not control Pakistan - how will Shehbaz Sharif's private army of 500 control it?
The vote percentages reflect the reality that Pakistan is beyond the feudals ability to control.
Hi Alok,
I think Josh Malihabadi and Behzad Lakhnawi have an excellent bead on the events in Pakistan.
Hi Anand K,
The biggest economic shift in Pakistan is the emergence of rural unemployment that cannot be hidden.
These unemployed young men cannot be absorbed into feudal militias and hence they lie outside the ability of the feudal loyalty system.
Additionally when these people migrate to the cities, they swell the ranks of the urban poor.
There is no model outside the Islamist one to control the urban poor.
Sure the PPP and PML(N) can organise riots if someone dies, but that counts for absolutely nothing - anyone and his grandmother can organise riots in Pakistan.
The feudals with their "pehle hum" philosophy in economics will only alienate the underprivileged.
Expecting the feudals to not be corrupt is as naive as expecting Musharraf to not be dictatorial.
Hi M,
Look at Brajesh Mishra's latest interview. What a turnaround?
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/feb/27inter.htm
with best wishes,
mukunda
Hello Mukunda,
That is the rediff wallahs spin on it.
The media is now focussing on making it look like heroes inside the SD and the NPA who messed this up in the first place are not held responsible for this. The media is being paid off to make it look like it was only "political" trouble in India that killed the deal.
Per the lifafa's version of things, was not that the people in the US who spoke out of turn - but Indians who placed politics over the needs of the country that made this deal fail.
As Shri Brajesh Mishra says - the Americans merely answered a question that the media asked them - if the media did not ask questions - there would be no need to deal with comments from people who really have no idea what they are talking about.
Everyone knows that American visitors despite dignified appearances have an extremely poor culture of media communication. They tend to say the first thing that comes to their mouth even if it does not make good sense.
However the media seems to be struggling with this - on the one hand the Americans pay them handsomely to see their words in print and on the other hand they talk utter gibberish which is counterproductive to their own national interest.
Ofcourse the older media types realise that cutting footage in a foreign press is a part of an old diplomatic racket. For example, an ambitious diplomat pays a certain number of reporters to write the crap he dishes out - the reporters do so. After a few weeks, a random source in the Indian media rehashes the same information in an editorial and the diplomat promptly fills out a "top secret" communique to DC and presents that as evidence that he is "influencing" opinion in the Indian media. Most of the information emitting from the embassy is highly self-serving and motivated drivel like this which is more attuned to the latest fad in the US Congress. Tragically a very large section of the media in India have yet to realise the damage publishing this crap can do.
As we all know that the Americans simply do not know when to say "no comment" - If the Indian media simply stopped paying attention to these outpourings - we would not have to divine whether this is part of a communication strategy on their part or whether this is simply the byproduct of a culture where every third guy seems to think he is good enough to be the President!
Listen to what Pandit-ji has to say:
"I don't bother about the Hyde Act! That is not something that bothers me. The Hyde Act is nothing if you have a look at the US Atomic Energy Act of 1954. That is the mother of all such acts."
I was unable to get this through to folks on DF ... Valkan also tried ... let's see if Brajesh does better ...
my guess is that now its Brajesh's turn to be labeled "traitor" and "sell-out" on DF ... LOL!
Hi M,
Some dumb questions.
1)Fine, but why the turnaround by Brajesh Mishra?
2) I could not understand what BM means when he says this
""I don't bother about the Hyde Act! That is not something that bothers me. The Hyde Act is nothing if you have a look at the US Atomic Energy Act of 1954. That is the mother of all such acts.""
Kindly can you enlighten me.
with best wishes,
mukunda
Hi Mukunda,
BM is saying that the US does not need the Hyde act to make trouble for India. The US AEA has plenty of stuff in it that can serve as potential sources of trouble.
Before the Hyde Act was passed, everyone had many questions about the US side of things - after the Hyde act was passed, BM's position has remained the same. I am sure he polled all the people he knew to see if there were any nuances he did not grasp, but he hasn't really changed his position.
The media has suddenly shifted the spotlight to him to try and make it look like they are doing something to get this deal through. It appears to me that the American handlers have turned on their media hirelings and accused them provoking an atmosphere that retards the deal's prospects.
Hi,
As Alok has remarked earlier, the idea of the gigaboom is out in the open.
People seem to actually believe that the BJP will come to power on the backs of urban voters and then quickly test the bomb and approve the 123 agreement.
Hi M,
A bomb test now!!!!!
Anway a article by none other than B.K. SubbaRao. Posting in full.The article was posted in DF with no links.
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By Buddhi Kota Subbarao
09 March, 2006
Countercurrents.org
The media build-up in favour of civilian nuclear technology 'transfer' and 'trade' between US and India is so systematic and clever, as to make the public in India see only benefits from it. When all aspects are considered there are more damages in store for India than benefits from it.
India does not fall in the category of countries where nuclear power is a must to meet the growing energy needs. India is blessed with many rivers and has enormous hydro potential which is so far not exploited beyond thirty percent. It is the faulty Indian planning that makes the nuclear power look as a necessary component in meeting energy needs in India.
All the spin in the media is aimed at making the Indo-US nuclear deal look like a golden opportunity to boost energy security of India without affecting the national security needs of the country. If the deal were to come in place really, and if the future nuclear power plants in India are based on the fuel supply from abroad, it is not only the Indian foreign policy that becomes vulnerable to interference, but even the energy security in the country can become precarious. When USA chose to ignore its agreement with India on Tarapur Atomic Power Plant and declined in the seventies to supply nuclear fuel to Tarapur, the Indian nuclear establishment having made tall claims that Tarapur will run on indigenously developed MOX fuel (Mixed Plutonium Oxide and Uranium Oxide), begged France to supply the fuel. France supplied fuel for ten years commencing in eighties. Thereafter India begged China and fuel was obtained for a few years from China. Now it is nuclear fuel from Russia that helps to keep the Tarapur plant going. It is nothing but being naïve to believe that there will be smooth flow of nuclear fuel from abroad to look after India's energy needs. Nuclear technology trade was, is and will be a trade with strings attached and unpredictable.
Dr. Anil Kakodkar Chairman of Indian Atomic Energy Commission (AEC) & Secretary Department of Atomic Energy (DAE) publicly admitted in an interview to a national daily (Indian Express, Mumbai, Wednesday February 8, 2006), that Indian uranium resources can not support the projected nuclear power pursuit in the first stage of 3-stage plan side by side the strategic needs of India. It shows, the DAE has undertaken to build six more PHWRs (Pressurized Heavy Water Reactors) now under construction, 2 x 540 MWe at Tarapur (Maharashtra), 2 x 220 MWe at Rawatbhata (Rajasthan), 2 x 222 MWe at Kaiga (Karnataka) knowing fully well that the country is being pushed into dependency of nuclear fuel from abroad. The step to built 500 MWe Prototype Fast Breeder Reactor (FBR) at Kalpakam (Tamil Nadu) should have been timed after India is comfortable with the amount of plutonium needed for its minimum nuclear deterrence. The uranium resources of India will fall short if all the three components namely, the energy, the minimum deterrence and the nuclear submarine needs are considered. Having brought about a crisis with its reckless planning and mismanagement, the DAE worked hard to make Prime Minister Dr.Manmohan Singh to take stands with President Bush and before Indian Parliament, to hide the mismanagement in DAE. The biggest losers are Indians. How does it matter to President Bush or for that matter to any other head of a foreign state, if Indian Prime Minister is ready to go along his country's nuclear establishment which is reckless in its planning and clever in hiding its mismanagement?.
In USA, business interests dictate foreign policy in almost all fields including the civilian nuclear technology. In India, foreign policy assiduously builds the image of Indian nuclear establishment. The latest proof of this fact is the ongoing debate before and after Indo-US joint agreement of July 18, 2005 between President George W Bush and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in Washington, and the separation agreement on March 2, 2006 in New Delhi to separate civilian and military nuclear pursuits in India.
The truth is, USA wants to make money by selling the disposable enriched uranium and weapon grade plutonium derived from the dismantling of some of their nuclear weapons, as nuclear fuel for power plants. Such is the case with Russia also. While supplying oil, the seller can at the most dictate its price and nothing more. But while supplying the nuclear fuel, the seller not only dictates its price but also can demand many more commitments from the buyers.
Cost benefit analysis in Indian context does not show justification for building more nuclear power plants. They are expensive to run and build, and the decommissioning is also an expensive business. The present generation has no right to pile up for the future generations, the financial burden arising from decommissioning and the multiple dangers from the unsolved problem of nuclear waste disposal.
It is false to say, nuclear power is clean and cheap. Nuclear reactors frequently release radioactive waste into the environment in the form of dust, mist, fumes, vapors/gases, and liquid waste (water). Krypton-89 with a half-life of 3.2 minutes decays into strontium-89, which has a 52-day half-life. Xenon-137, which has a 3.9-minute half-life, decays into cesium-137, which has a 30-year half-life. Xenon-135, which has a half-life of 9.17 hours decays into cesium-135 with a half-life of 3 million years. These radioactive elements when released into the environment, would ultimately enter into the food chain and cause drastic health problems due to the long lasting radioactivity which poses danger to all life forms on earth. One of the main effects on the environment that the heavy water reactors at Rawatbhata (Rajasthan), Madras (Tamil Nadu), Narora (UP), Kakrapara (Gujarat) and Kaiga (Karnataka) and Research Reactors CIRUS and DHRUVA at Bhabha Atomic Research Center(BARC), Trombay, Mumbai, have is that they release vast amounts of tritium (a radioactive isotope of hydrogen with a 12.3 year half life). Low doses of tritium have caused sterility, microcephaly, stunting.
Indian context
A proper account of India's natural resources and an honest cost-benefit analysis would show that for meeting the growing energy needs and to improve quality of life and health of its people, India should not commit any more of its money to nuclear power, but exploit fully its hydro potential and explore the uses of alternate sources of energy such as solar, wind, tidal wave and geothermal, while taking strict measures and improvements on energy losses . If India places its emphasis on hydro power and alternate sources of energy, the climate change argument to favour nuclear power becomes irrelevant so far as India is concerned. Nuclear power while it gives electricity, is sure to leave behind radiation dangers which would last for thousands of years.
India is blessed with a large number of rivers and as such has enormous hydro potential which is exploited not even thirty percent. Hydropower is clean and cheap, which gives not only electricity, but also irrigation, drinking water, navigation, fishery and such other additional benefits. There are many rural areas in India where even after 58 years of India's independence, women have had to walk 10 kilometers with pots on their heads to fetch drinking water. Health of people improves if there is clean drinking water. Periodically India experiences flood and draught simultaneously with most of the rain water joining the sea. Indian planners failed so far, to appreciate fully the multiple benefits from hydro-power.
On the eve of the 59th Independence Day, President Dr.Abdul J. Kalam in his speech to the nation on 14 th August 2005 focused on the highly technical theme of energy security and independence. Dr.Kalam pointed out that India has 17 per cent of the world's population and only 0.8 per cent of the world's known oil and natural gas resources. But surprisingly Dr.Kalam failed to mention the hydro-potential India has. However Dr. Kalam took pains to urge that there would have to be a ten-fold increase in nuclear power generation in order to achieve a reasonable degree of energy self-sufficiency. In the recent times Kalam's speeches show him to be the spoke's person of the Department of Atomic Energy. In 1998 on the Pokhran-II nuclear tests, as Head of Defence Research Development Organisation (DRDO), Dr.Kalam knowing fully well the hydrogen bomb test failed, did not find it necessary to inform the nation correctly. Dr.Kalam is an Honourable Man. It is unfortunate, even while having a scientist as President, there is no help to the nation to know the gap between the promise and performance in the scientific establishments especially in DAE and the wrong priorities of country's planners. DAE keeps the health of Tarapur Atomic Power Plant (TAPP) as secret. But it is known TAPP is one of the worst polluted atomic power plants in the world and its vintage designs have been long ago decommissioned in other parts of the world.
Responsible To Whom?
To break with nearly three decades of U.S. nonproliferation policy and to chart a course for the United States to pursue full-scale civil nuclear cooperation with India, US President Mr. George W. Bush in his Joint Statement with Prime Minister, Dr. Man Mohan Singh in Washington DC on July 18, 2005, put forth his appreciation that India is a "responsible state" with advanced nuclear technology. Whatever may be the meaning of the word 'responsible' gathered by President Bush, the people of India living in the largest democracy with longest written Constitution, are in no position to say that the Government of India and its Department of Atomic Energy(DAE) conduct themselves in a 'responsible' way towards the people of India in the matters of nuclear safety. Now the concern for safety has become more acute when DAE Chairman Dr.Kakodkar has cleverly projected that India specific safeguards alone will come in place. It means Indian nuclear establishment will continue to ignore the international practices in matters of nuclear safety. The then Chairman of Atomic Energy Regulatory Board (AERB) Dr.A.Gopalakrishnan in the year 1996 termed the nuclear regulation in India 'a farce'. DAE refuses to disclose to the public the details of the accidents even in the civilian nuclear technology field. Here are a few relevant facts:
· On March 31, 1993 there was a serious accident at Narora Atomic Power Station (NAPS) in Uttar Pradesh. India was close to repeating Chernobyl, in a nuclear disaster that could have changed the very face of the subcontinent. Two enquiry reports were obtained one by the Committee setup by the Atomic Energy Regulatory (AERB) and the other by the Nuclear Power Corporation of India Limited (NPCIL). Neither of them has been made public. In a similar fire accident on March 22, 1975, at the Brown's Ferry Nuclear Plant near Decatur, Alabama, the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission published a detailed report on February 1976, marked it NUREG-0050, and made it available to the public at $5 from the National Technical Information Service, Springfield, Virginia.
· To investigate the collapse of the containment dome of Unit-I of the Kaiga Atomic Power Plant under construction in Karnataka in 1994, with about 130 tonnes of concrete falling from a height of nearly 30 meters during construction, two investigating teams were commissioned, one by the AERB and the other by NPCIL. However, the findings of both Committees have been kept secret.
· In 1992, it came to light that an illegal practice was admittedly going on at BARC for over 20 years. Senior BARC scientists were making money by using research reactor Apsara to irradiate natural diamonds, thereby making them dark in colour, as well as radioactive. These diamonds were then released into the market, both domestic and foreign, passing them off as rare black diamonds which are more costly. According to the London-based Diamond Trading Corporation (DTC), these diamonds had a dangerously high level of radioactivity. The DTC warned the government of India through a letter in mid-1992 not to allow its nuclear facilities to be used to irradiate diamonds. It is difficult to know how many people all over the world are wearing jewellery studded with the irradiated black diamonds, and have unknowingly become victims of cancer and leukaemia. This criminal act was not allowed to come under police or CBI investigation. In June 2005, the social organization named "Citizens For A Just Society", founded by noted Gandhian and Freedom Fighter Dr.Usha Mehta, has submitted a Memorandum to Dr. M. Elbaradei, Director General, International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) urging IAEA to cause the Government of India to investigate into the illegal irradiation of diamonds at BARC and to take necessary punitive action against concerned scientists of BARC and DAE. Simultaneously the social organization also submitted formal letters to President Dr.A.P.J.Abdul Kalam and Prime Minister Dr.Manmohan Singh to bring offenders of law to justice. But all of it, is of to no avail so far.
· Fraud was committed on Bombay High Court in January 1997 by the DAE. Through a Memorandum, purportedly made under the purported instructions of the then Prime Minister Shri.Deve Gouda, submitted to the High Court in January 1997 as well as with an undertaking given in the open Court, the High Court was made to believe that the high power committee constituted as per the Memorandum with Dr.Raja Ramanna as chairman of the committee and Dr.Abul Kalam, Mr.Anil Kakodkar and others as members, would submit a report in four months on the matter of reorganization of AERB (Atomic Energy Regulatory Board) and on the 90 nuclear safety violations in our nuclear power plants, out of the total 130 nuclear safety violations in all our nuclear establishments compiled by the then chairman of AERB Dr.A.Gopalakrishnan in 1996. Believing thus, the High Court did not admit the public interest petition filed by People's Union For Civil Liberties(PUCL), but the Court was kind enough to keep the doors open if an occasion demands and also recorded that information on the safety violations can not be denied to the public for all times. It is not made public if the said Committee submitted its report in four months (January to April 1997) as promised to the High Court. The information is, the Committee never met, let alone rendering its report in four months. Big names in the field are thrown at the High Court to deflect the imminent judicial examination into the mismanagement and criminal acts of DAE.
Indo-US civilian nuclear collaboration may ultimately lead to promoting US business interests and the inevitable media spin would make it much more difficult for the people of India to guard themselves against nuclear safety violations. There is nothing the President of US can do to help on this point. The people of India have to help themselves against nuclear radiation dangers. Indian specific safeguards should not mean denying the people of India the international practices in matters of nuclear safety.
The writer is former Indian Navy Captain with Ph.D in nuclear technology from IIT Bombay.
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Any testing will be devastating.
Hello Anonymous,
Capt.(r) Subbarao speaks but we do not hear him.
If his views gain popularity with the US based NRI crowd, that is not too surprising - he is very close to the US.
Sections of the US NRI community had suddenly decided to accept the NPA version of the Shakti tests, and now if they want to put faith in Capt. (r) Subbarao, well... that says everything there is to say ... doesn't it?
And I thought I had seen everything the day after 9/11 Pakistan Defence Forum had suddenly turned against Bin Laden.
Hi Anonymous,
Technically the matter of the diamonds at Apsara is subjudice so I can't make direct comments on it.
But I also can't resist one jab at Capt Subbarao... the NPA drones are always very entertaining.
Radioactive treatment is a perfectly legal and standard
diamond enhancement technique.
The "naturally" coloured diamonds and the artificially coloured diamonds are both radioactive - because in nature - process similar to the artifical kind drive the colouring events. The residual radioactivity is not significant to pose a health risk.
However passing off "artificially" coloured diamonds as "naturally" coloured diamonds, is illegal due to the extreme rarity of the latter and the entire diamond industry relies on exploiting the image that diamonds are rare. This is the same reason that an industrially made diamond cannot be passed off a natural diamond.
There are plenty of people out there who do this sort of thing, this does not make the act of colouring the diamond using radioactivity illegal or dangerous.
irradiating crystals for the jewelery market is accepted practice for many research reactors ... its done in the US too ... typically the new isotopes are very long lived so they don't pose any health risks ... so, K. Subbarao found someone in India making a fast buck ... wow, give the man a Trophy for this earth-shattering discovery!
HI M,
forgot to sign off in the last post. Anyway there are some interesting links for your research. I really do not have time to research. Hope you like it.
From DF: Oil & Geopolitics of US in the Balkans
1)http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/balkansUSbackterrorism.htm#geopolitical
2)
http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/bondsteelmap.htm
3) Whereever there is oil & pipelines, Sam is there! What madness !
with best wishes,
mukunda
P.S - If you really like such links will post whenever i come across one.
1)
Posting once again as the links got chopped off
a)http://www.btinternet.com/
~nlpwessex/Documents/
bondsteelmap.htm
b)
http://www.btinternet.com/
~nlpwessex/Documents/
balkansUSbackterrorism.htm
#geopolitical
with best wishes,
mukunda
Brazen chariots.
that is another good one.
Brazen chariots? u mean the latest war game InA is conducting?
Abhisheik
i meant this
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1080304/jsp/nation/story_8977689.jsp
abhisheik
Hello Abhisheik,
Yes I do.
Hi M,
Did you like the links?
with best wishes,
mukunda
Hi Mukunda,
They are certainly interesting.
Thanks
Maverick,
Any thoughts on the restaurant bombing in Islamabad?
The FBI agents, including the station head, being injured in the bombing is being passed off as a coincidence
There are far too many coincidences in Pakistan these days ...
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